A REINTERVIEW with Greg Ulmer, Part 5.

(No part of this reinterview may be published elsewhere without written permission from victor j. vitanza and greg ulmer.) --Copyright notice at end of each file, starting with September file.


The PreText Conversations held a Re/In/View

with Greg Ulmer about his Heuretics: The Logic of Invention

during September, October, and November of 1994.

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Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 13:17:47 -0400
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_____What was the genealogy, the genesis, of HEURETICS?

I am going to twist Collins question a bit, with an eye toward Victors question as well, about the Making of HEURETICS. Because I want to identify what for me is the hardest part about using the CATTt as a generator-- the TALE. The other aspects of the genesis I can mention briefly: the CATTt itself appeared over the course of a number of years teaching the history of method in graduate courses. I started designing my own courses using the CATTt When it came time to synthesize that experience in a book three of the four categories were pretty much set, as I explain in HEURETICS. The breakthrough for that part was when Jeff Kipnis gave me the gallies of a book that still has not come out yet though it has been done for years--about the process of designing the _folie_ for Parc de la Villette. This ms includes verbatim transcripts of six sessions in which Derrida and Eisenman talk about the design problems. Derrida posed to Eisenman an impossible problem (the unrepresentable as a model for an architectural production). I always try to work from a problem provided by a theorist, and here it was: the unrepresentable (chora) as the instructions for a rhetoric.

To be a well-made discourse on method, HEURETICS had to show to some extent what it was saying, to do what it theorized: the research materials had to be represented in a form that demonstrated how to use them. So the struggle in writing HEURETICS--one that did involve many false starts--was the finding of the tale.

The first problem with the tale was understanding how much dramatization was enough. For the longest time I tried to compose the book as a script for a video. I was working with the lessons of TELETHEORY, to which one common response was, why not drop all the explanation and just DO IT. In TELETHEORY itself it was easy enough to answer that question: do what? The IT had to be invented and the invention was itself the point in a way. the lesson of method and vanguard poetics is that a new form has to be accompanied by a handbook, a users manual. What I learned from _Derrida at the Little Bighorn_ about TALE was that the mystory was not specific to any genre, but could appropriate any genre that might help display the pattern (be the chora in which the makers' beings and becomings could interact). I used the vita, the minor vita, to exploit the fact that later achievements are dependent upon earlier ones. The CV of the child. The CV is a masculinist genre, in any case (gendered for achievement), anticizxpating the patriarchal superego that clarified itself in YELLOWSTONE DESERT.

I am no longer sure about the sequence of invents leading to the decision to use the remake as my tale, but it begins logically with my desire to extend the parts of the mystory to complete the popcycle (the four institutional discourses of the learning subject). The mystory worked with three-- family, discipline, and public sphere (manifested as local history). I split that public sphere category into School (institutionalized representations of the collective story of the makers' locale--the history of the place as studied in textbooks); and Entertainment (media identifications showing the makers' positioning in the ideology). This Entertainment discourse was missing in D at LBH and I wanted to fill that blank in HEURETICS. A more or less circular path led to Gary Cooper, partly paths of research and partly memory. Once I had Gary Cooper the idea of embedding the theory in a Cooper film presented itself.

In thinking about what to do with Cooper I read up on Method acting and that was a eureka in itself--the recognition that Method acting is the heir of the mnemonics of the orators (the memory palace is a central feature of grammatology, signifying the principal pedagogical practice of a manuscript schooling). Method acting was perfect for my Analogy because it constitutes an established practice for doing what the mystorian must do, which is to link their personal story to the collective texts. The rehearsal rather than the performance was the relevant part for choragraphy.

The next step was to figure out how to usethe analogy as the tale, as the way to bring into coherence the disparate parts of the popcycle. The idea for putting on the performance as part of the quincentenary or centennial came from thinking about the theme of the book--invention--with Columbus as the icon in school discourse of "inventiveness." The frontiers of knowledge. You can see how the trail leads to ever more specific details: what form would a performance take that revisited the frontier moment of local history (as a way to examine the metaphor of invention)? The still life or tableau vivant emerged in the research. Such tableaus were performed in the original saloons of MIles City. Although to perform BEAU GESTE is anachronistic, a tableau about the foreign legion is not, since it existed since the 1840s or so. Moreover, the U.S. cavalry had been characterized as a kind of foreign legion since it included in its ranks so many immigrants.

Another false start was that I kept trying to include my own version of chora as local sacred place, as in PHAEDRUS.The local place that I have done quite a bit of work with in psychogeographical terms is the giant sinkhole just outside of town, named Devils Millhopper. I finally dropped all that and it became the essay called _Metaphoric Rocks_.

In the finished book, as Collin notes, everything seems to fit. Perhaps it is too neat. Part of my justification for this effect is Eureka: you have to try this procedure yourself to experience the uncanny effect of the pattern that binds your mystory together. It is an aesthetic pattern to be sure and is manipulated by the author, but there is no shortage of repetitions to use. Then after all, however dispersed our activities, to the extent that we feel our identity as a kind of unity, we should expect to find a pattern that repeats through whatever we do or think: it is our style. Our signature. The electronic apparatus is starting to dissolve this too-neat condition of selfhood, or at least dissolve the conceptual exclusionary structures of binarism that force experience into much more sharply delineated categories than is necessary (eg men/women; African-Americans,whites) etc. Now there is a controversial matter, hey?

The other questions Collin asks I will get to in a separate post.

GREG ULMER

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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:56:00 -0400
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_____What is the relation of heuretics to the notion of the Impossible?

This question from Victor covers some of the other outstanding questions. I will reply to this query in several steps, addressed to the different correspondents.

_____Is it possible to explain anything at all?

The heuretic turn in theory, working with an _inventio_ organized as _chora_, adds to critical discussion an aesthetic dimension. Communication becomes indirect. Why? It has to do with the search for an alternative to interrogation. Victor noted my reference earlier to the book _Truth and Torture_ (?). I deferred going into that link and alluded to the forthcoming chapter (*the MIranda Warnings*) in George Landows _Hypertext and Theory_ (out in December from Johns Hopkins). The point of departure for the article is an ad, placed by Digital Corp in the Chronicle of Higher Ed, showing a still from a film noir, with a man undergoing the third degree. The caption refers to the computer as an easier way to get the information you need.

_____What is the feeling of knowing the truth?

The interrogator is a terrorist. The history of truth evolves continuously from the torture of slaves in the Greek courts to the diagnostic quiz conducted by AI expert systems. School and critique have a place in this history. Knowing the truth yet not being able to convince or persuade others--that drives persons and civilizations crazy. Is it Platos fault? He demanded the separation of dialectic from rhetoric. How much of the torturers emotion carries over into critique, which characterizes reading as *interrogation*? The (un)popularity of critique. The desire for truth in popular accessible forms.

_____What is the feeling of composing in the middle voice?

In the middle voice the interrogator experiences the interrogation. The interrogation is reflexive. When this event happens, the result is death. The philosophers death. I have been puzzled by this experience of death at the heart of writing, thinking. The Shaman could write, in that s/he alone had the power of a round trip to the afterworld. The position of knowing the truth is the position of being already dead. The living dead. Socrates taught the achievement of this point of view. The existential philosophers communicated the lesson with such analogies as the power of the terrorist (of course) who has decided to die and so has power over the living who are not philosophers (Camus). To enjoy living to the fullest one was supposed to continue the state of mind that existed during the resistance, the underground war against the Nazi occupation, to maintain that point of view after the war even when nothing was any longer at stake in the mundane moment (Sartre). Lacan explained that for the transference to function therapeutically the analyst must play dead. Batailles impossible is in this tradition. Along with most religions of the world.

_____How is it possible to teach Batailles general economy?

It does no good to explain truth as thinking dead to the students. I tried this assignment: Design a handbook for tourists instructing them how to use videos or photography of a vacation in a way that would produce an understanding of General Economy. We read the _Accursed Share_, a book about Aboriginal Dreamtime, saw some films and tapes. In figuring out how to make such a handbook the students hit upon the fundamental difference between the existing economics of tourism and Batailles economics. The insight only requires applying Batailles own critique of capitalism--a limited economy of accumulation--contrasted with the General economy whose point of view is that death (expenditure, waste) is necessary. The entire bourgeois ideology is devoted to saving, survival, accumulation, acquisition, achievement while repressing the necessity of death (you cannot take it with you), ignoring the evidence that suggests that a consumer civilizaiton is the most wasteful (the best?) that has ever existed. The guidebooks taught the tourists to shift the point of view from which the pictures were shot--from that of the absolute autonomous unique isolated individual saving up experience to have them later, to the point of view of the whole, the history of everybody, including the coming future generations. Such tourist albums are conceptual. It does not matter if a single photo is taken. After this assignment I decided that explanation may work but only in the middle voice.

_____What is the pedagogy of the impossible?

Mourning. Learning a language is an experience that formats the body and mind. Once formatted, once children have learned a language, they have lost something and gained something (theorized in psychoanalysis as castration). They have given up immediacy for mediacy (the symbolic order, the negative, death). We continue learning languages--school, entertainment, discipline. Heuretics assumes that the original experience of the entry into language repeats in each of the others and is fashioned into the feeling of judgment. That feeling is the latch, hook, couple, hitch linking the inner to the outer world that every act of persuasion attempts to buckle on to. The feeling of truth. Propaganda aims directly for it. Science pretends it is not there.

_____What is the practice of a pedagogy of mourning?

In the pedagogy of mourning students experience the teacher as a troll or magic dwarf encountered by chance on a path through the woods. This troll, whose powers and moral status are never entirely determinate, demands of the students the completion of several tasks, each more impossible than the other.

GREG ULMER

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Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 12:36:59 -0400
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A brief excerpt from yesterday's Edupage speaks ironically to glue's project. I have not seen the BW but might seek it out for more of its occasioned pleasure here.

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From: edupage@ivory.educom.edu

BIG, DUMB TV SET SALES ARE BOOMING Move over, multimedia computers -- sales of non-interactive tv sets (and the bigger the better) are booming. "We're in the midst of a record year for the industry," says Zenith executive VP. One person (probably someone a little strange) calculated that the number of TV screens purchased by Americans would fill 750 acres, the size of Montana's Little Big Horn Battlefield. (Business Week 11/1/94 p.46)

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I have enjoyed and admired Greg's work in the PTc Reinvw and am a bit saddened by its quieting here. I especially appreciated the slow and contemplative pace of the interaction and the thoroughness, patience, and thoughtfulness of the responses. I would like to hear from Greg his thoughts about PTc Reinvws.

_____ What can you teach us now about our format? Is there anyway we could have been more helpful/interesting/questioning? Does the technology impress upon the discussion restraints or considerations we might further address in our protocals?

______ Does a Reinvw ever approach closure in a rooming house of perpetual foyers?

______ Would you please stay with us to help us greet new guests?

I find that listserv technological capacity tends to hurry correspondence. I often feel guilty when I do not respond to email as immediately as the technology implicates (as it were). But I have appreciated the pauses in the current reinvw because of the quality, depth, and clarity of the discussion but also because I took time with the posts between posts.

Editing duties at PTc though limited further the amount of time I could spend reinvwing with Richard Smythe. I also found that learning to write in the manner of the protocals is time consuming as well. The concurrence protocal advises I write through my social location rather than from it, for example. That folding of thought, in a post-mystory manner, makes the lists and the reinvw speak in the manner of that Columbus thrown to the floor in Minnesota rather than the manner of the explorer at the head of Europe.

Thanks for all your instruction/discussion Greg. I hope the Reinvw never closes. I look forward to reading your project as it progresses over the years.

Jim McFadden
Ed Asst
PTc

Offlist: jmcfadden@miavx1.muohio.edu

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Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 15:44:17 -0400
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_____How has the _Heuretics_ discussion advanced the understanding of the reinvw?

Thanks Jim for the wonderful statistic about the TV screens filling the Little Bighorn battlefield. I am designing an online version of my mystory--for folks to consult who are working with mystory for research or teaching--and I will include that bit in the weave.

The first question is about pace. I like very much the protocols about composing offline. I know someone on PTissues complained about long posts in general, saying that this was E-MAIL after all, as if the rhetoric of e-mail were already set. The way I worked was to print out the questions, think about them for a while, draft an outline of a response, compose the response offline, and send it. I spent about a day on each response. The questions were similarly thoughtful and extensive, for the most part and so took time. That is the material limitation on this process--time.

Like Jim I enjoy presentations that leave me time to reflect. I remember when the Tarkovsky film _Stalker_ came to the art cinema in Gainesville. A philosopher friend of mine and I went to it and the theater was full. When the characters enter the Zone (brilliant device for saving money on special effects: the forces articulating the Zone are invisible) they stop to rest every so often (stations of the cross?). During these rests they have conversations of a metaphysical nature. There is time to think about these conversations as the characters make their way to the next stations. Watching this film made me realize that most Hollywood films allow no time for thinking, whereas Tarkovsky is the master of this effect (_Nostalghia_ is one of the most beautiful films I can think of). Near the close of the film we realized that the theater was nearly empty. Almost everyone had walked out, leaving in small groups, a few more each time these conversations started.

So I wrote these long explanations. Was that the right thing to do (people leaving in small groups saying )?

_____What did I expect from the reinvw before having participated in one?

I expected the reinvw to be a hybrid--part review and part interview--which it was. Some of the questions included discussions that constituted the review element before posing the questions that represented the interview element. Still, I expected more reviewing. The review would in a sense be the question. In a print review a reader puts the book into his/her own context, recontextualizes the book. The authors frequently think this recontextualizations is a misreading. Brunette and Wills in their _Diacritics_ review of _Teletheory_ advised the readers to ignore the experimental mystory at the end. Now if that had been a reinvw.... In that gap is the zone of conversation.

At the same time, a hybrid often is a third entity in which the features of the two composing units disappear in a new set of features. How might such a hybrid reinvw work? It might be something like Wittgensteins *meaning is the use*--the reviewer might ask: how do I go on from here? Now I see how to go on. Not to cover the same ground again, to get it right, but to consider what follows from that line of work. In this case, what are the instructions in _Heuretics_?

_____What is the challenge that _Heuretics_ poses to disciplinary discourse?

_Heuretics_ is an experiment. We are not used to experimenting in the Humanities. All around us, at the extremes of natural science on one side and the avant-garde on the other, we observe experimentation. I just returned from a visit to a university at which a graduate class was reading _Heuretics_. They were concerned that only tenured faculty could write choragraphies. It was too risky to work in an aesthetic way. I tried to persuade them that it is equally risky to continue working in the conventional way, for at least two reasons. 1) The editors of university presses that I have spoken with indicate that the specialized kind of research that leads to the kind of book that used to get people tenure is rapidly becoming unpublishable for marketing reasons: libraries no longer do blanket purchases and individuals have never bought such books. Universities are going to have to find another way to assess research ability, other than the gauntlet of that first university press book. 2) Which brings up the second reason to experiment, having to do with electronic writing-- one obvious answer to the marketing bottleneck for publishing. The basic rationale for choragraphy is that writing online is evolving into something quite different from writing for print. Playing its safe (sticking with the conventions of academic form) is a bad strategy since these conventions are not functional for learning in MOOs or for composing hypertexts for Mosaic. Why is _Heuretics_ being reinvwed on a rhetoric list? Because rhetoric-comp is more in touch with writing as a technology than are most lit people.

_____What is the special difficulty of understanding _Heuretics_?

I am not sure that I understand _Heuretics_ myself. I wrote it to test the CATTt: I pushed the CATTt as far as I could in order to find out what could be said in that way. Problem: the instructions are indirect. I have been trying to design assignments in which the instructions are posed aesthetically: they have a status similar to *art* texts (no univocal meaning). _Heuretics_ says that choragraphy as a method is *like* . I am curious about what someone might do in response to such instructions. If someone were to make something choragraphic, what would IT be like?

I am trying to answer this question for myself by my work-in- progress. The theoretical question is: how does *home* function in the design of the home page for mosaic, or the home place that one logs into in a MOO. My graduate seminar this spring will explore how to teach MOO and Mosaic writing, using choragraphy (but not _Heuretics_). At the same time, it should be possible to do research for print using choral rhetoric (it is not medium specific in that it is a mode of reasoning).

_____Keeping posted?

The few folks who participated in the reinvw have been insightful, generous and supportive. The protocols do create a sense of dialogue (a cooperative atmosphere) distinct from the eristics that destroy any sense of trust or community in much academic communication. I look forward to continuing with the PT process. I will post some URL edresses in the spring when there is some work to look at, to see how I try to follow my own instructions. And while this post concludes the official reinvw of _Heuretics_ I will be pleased to reply to further questions. Thanks for giving me this opportunity.

GREG ULMER

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Gregory L. Ulmer, English & Media, University of Florida
Gainesville FL 32611. gulmer@english.ufl.edu
http://www.ucet.ufl.edu/~gulmer/


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